Jay's presence is something you can't ignore, you cannot not notice him. You will be drawn to him. You can try to stay on a very surface level in your conversation but he will break it like thin ice on a deep lake. He will reach inside and see what the eyes can't. He uses this in his craft, I've had the pleasure to watch him act live several times and the entire room's energy switches. He takes you on a journey. As I said, you can't ignore it, you will be affected, and walk out with a brighter light.